Thursday, May 19, 2005

Pregnant girl not allowed to walk stage at graduation

I personally think this is bull.

19 Comments:

At 3:19 PM, Blogger dcs said...

Common practice in Catholic high schools, and one with which I happen to agree.

 
At 3:29 PM, Blogger st_ignatius110 said...

Why?

 
At 3:51 PM, Blogger Paul said...

She should have been expelled. Even public schools will expell pregnant students.

 
At 3:52 PM, Blogger ZF said...

"I can't believe something like this is happening in 2005,"

That quote sums up the prevailing attitude more than anything else. It seems that for the family it is about asserting the will and nothing else.

Zack Flummerfelt

 
At 4:20 PM, Blogger Chad said...

I have to agree with Paul and dcs: by allowing a pregnant teen to walk across the stage with other students, would we not be affirming her sin? I hate to sound like a Victorian prude, but shouldn't she have been expelled like Paul suggests, or at the very least asked to stay at home until her baby was born?

 
At 4:48 PM, Blogger st_ignatius110 said...

Here is what I think about the situation.
First of all, children today are not raised with morals yet when they commit this sin they are "expelled" or not allowed to graduate with their class. Allowing someone to graduate does not mean that the school is saying ," Hey look, she had sex and it is ok!"
Second, pregnancy is NOT a sin. Having sex before marriage is. So why was the boyfriend allowed to walk the stage? It seems to me when a girl finds herself in this situation she is immedialty condemned and the man allowed to walk free and clear. That is ridiculous. By this action the school administration is saying that the pregnancy and having the baby is a sin...not the sex.
Third, I totally understand about the young girl being taken out of school and put into a school for pregnant mothers. They do the same thing down here even in public schools. Why? For the safety of the mother and the baby. They dont want anything to happen to the baby or her i.e. getting bumped to hard in the halls etc. It seems to me thought that by saying this girl should be expelled..while the boyfriend is still there...that the school is saying " We are ashamed that you are pregnant" and instead of dealing with it they cast her away.
Third, this was the perfect opportunity for Christians to witness to this young girl. To be there for her in her time of need. Instead, we say this is a sin so we cast you aside. I thank God He is not like that or I would have been cast aside a long time ago.

Fourth, this is a private school. This would have also been the perfect opportunity to bring in sex ed speakers. Talk about sex and how sacred it is before God, talk about exactly what an abortion is etc. Instead, it is put behind them.

Fifth, what did they want this girl to do? Have an abortion? Use birth control? Ok, not have sex would have been a good one...but like I said ...todays young women are not raised with good morals and even when they are they can still mess up.

All in all, whether you agree with how these cases are handled or not, the man should face the same music as the girl does. He plays a major role in pregnancy...yet society acts like it is all the girls fault and I for one cannot stand this. All this school is teaching this young man is NOT to stand up for his actions.

 
At 4:56 PM, Blogger st_ignatius110 said...

Thanks to whoever made the link the way it is now...not sure how to do that. :-)

 
At 4:58 PM, Blogger Chad said...

First, my problem with the whole thing is what kind of example is being set for the other children at the school. I agree with you that the father should have not been allowed to walk across the stage, either. The school did allow her to graduate; her diploma was given to her a few days beforehand--she was just not supposed to take part in a public ceremony. However, stepping back and looking at it without any knowledge of the situation, the father has no visible evidence of sin; the mother does. So, even though the father SHOULD have been held back from the ceremony as well, if it is not common knowledge who he is, then what can you do?

Second, as for whether pregnancy is a sin or not. There is no way for an unmarried high school girl to be pregnant except through either her own sin or the sin of another. Through sin, she became pregnant. I agree that pregnancy itself is not a sin, but that's not the issue here.

Finally, the school should be ashamed that she is pregnant. We all should be. It is a failure of our society. Does that mean that we automatically condone her having an abortion to get rid of the evidence? Of course not.

Of course, people mess up, but they must be made to accept the consequences of messing up. One of those is to repent and make every effort to ensure that others aren't corrupted by your example.

 
At 5:01 PM, Blogger Paul said...

Iggy, a pregnant girl at a Catholic school presents an occassion of scandal. And in public schools they simply expell them, too much of a disruption to class otherwise, which should have happened with this girl, whose behaviour indicates that she is incredibly stuck up.

 
At 5:17 PM, Blogger st_ignatius110 said...

In the public schools down here they give the girl the option of going to an alternative school for pregnant girls but she is still allowed to partake in the graduation which is her right as a graduate of highschool. If a girl, despite any sins she has commited, makes it through highschool and is trying to make something of herself, then she should be allowed to graduate with her class. Personally, I don't think comparing public to Catholic schools is a good idea. Obviously, public schools are not worried about scandal. They do not "expell" the girl, at least not down here, they have alternative schools for her to go for her and the childs safety.
My number one problem here is that the boy is allowed to graduate with his class. Why? Did he not play a big enough role in the pregnancy? If it is about the fact that sex is a sin then the boy should be punished too. It is obvious that the problem is not the sex before marriage but the pregnancy.
Also, you cannot determine that this girl is stuck up simply because she walked the stage anyway. I dont know if she is or not..I dont know her..but have you thought that perhaps this is something she beleives is her right and she stood up for herself despite the fact she had been cast aside? Now, that may not be the case I dont know...but you cannot determine she is stuck up unless you personally know her.
Also, I find it so very interesting how you avoid the fact of the young man being in sin as well...and still being allowed to walk the stage. If you take the position that allowing a pregnant girl to walk the stage condones her sin..then the father of the child being allowed to walk the stage condones the sin as well.

 
At 5:31 PM, Blogger Chad said...

Jeni, I'm not sure who you were responding to. I agreed with you that the father ideally should not have been allowed to walk the stage. But for public appearance, which do count for precisely the reason that Paul stated--scandal--it is more important that the mother not walk if the father is not publicly known.

Both of them graduated with their class. There's no reason either should not have been able to. I'm just talking about the public ceremony.

 
At 5:33 PM, Blogger BekahS. said...

I agree that the biggest problem here is that the father of the baby was allowed to participate. If this is about the sin, it needs to be consistent. Otherwise, it looks simply like a private school trying avoid having its reputation besmirched.

 
At 5:38 PM, Blogger st_ignatius110 said...

Sorry Fang...your comment was not there when I posted..I was answering Paul...let me read what you wrote and an answer is on the way!lol

 
At 5:45 PM, Blogger st_ignatius110 said...

Ok Fang...here ya go. :-)

Here is the problem. It is obviously common knowledge of who the father is because every article states that the father walked the stage.If the father was not known then of course there would be nothing that could be done about that. Why is it always the woman who is the "scandal?" Why is it always the woman cast aside? No wonder more young men do not take responsibility for their actions!! I agree with you totally about being an example for the other kids. Hence the reason they should have brought speakers in (as I used to do in the schools) and speak on pregnancy, the sacredness of marriage etc.


The reason I brought up the issue that the pregnancy is not the sin is because that is the very issue here. If the school were making a statement that sex before marriage is a sin, then they would have not allowed the boy to walk the stage either. Instead, the statement they are making is that pregnancy is a sin...and that is 100% wrong.

Of course we should be ashamed that society and her parents failed her. But ashamed God allowed a child to be created? I think not. Ashamed of her sin? Hell yes, just as I am ashamed of mine..but not ashamed of my baby..never. And I think it is sad that there are those who would be ashamed of my little one.

Of course people should repent of there sins. To bad we expect those who are not Christians to act as Christians. Again, perfect opportunity for the school to teach about marriage and sex...who knows..they could have impacted this little girl as well....instead by there actions they have shut her out.

 
At 5:56 PM, Blogger Chad said...

Iggy, I'm in total agreement with you. I was thinking more along general lines than the specific case. Sorry if we got our wires crossed :)

 
At 6:58 PM, Blogger Paul said...

"My number one problem here is that the boy is allowed to graduate with his class. Why? Did he not play a big enough role in the pregnancy? If it is about the fact that sex is a sin then the boy should be punished too. It is obvious that the problem is not the sex before marriage but the pregnancy."

I think he ought to have been kicked out too if that's any relief. But the girl is the more visible indicator of sin.

"Also, you cannot determine that this girl is stuck up simply because she walked the stage anyway. I dont know if she is or not..I dont know her..but have you thought that perhaps this is something she beleives is her right and she stood up for herself despite the fact she had been cast aside? Now, that may not be the case I dont know...but you cannot determine she is stuck up unless you personally know her."

She's stuck up for going up there despite having absolutely no right to do so. No one has any right to walk at graduation.

 
At 1:23 PM, Blogger st_ignatius110 said...

Thanks Fang.

Paul, you still cannot determine a young girl is stuck up because of this. Perhaps she is just immature and did not know how to handle and adult situation? She is obviously a little girl making adult decisions.

Also, regarding your comments about expulsion. That is ridiculous. The public schools here in Dallas do not even do that. Why do I think it is ridiculous? Because when a young woman gets pregnant, most of the young men don't hang around to take care of her or her child, and she must have that education in order to survive. How horrible would it be if God abandoned us in our greatest time of need? I truly beleive that we,as Christians, should should not at all cast aside these young women...but instead use the time as one of teaching them the diginity of human life.

 
At 3:07 PM, Blogger ZF said...

" I truly beleive that we,as Christians, should should not at all cast aside these young women...but instead use the time as one of teaching them the diginity of human life. "

We don't "cast aside" anyone including prisoners. It's not about disavowing her, it was about not allowing her to walk at graduation.

ZF

 
At 3:44 PM, Blogger st_ignatius110 said...

And yet to young girl who has struggled to get through school..even though pregnant..she is not allowed that honor and the man is. Did the school counsel her? I don't know. Did they bring in speakers to discuss the sacredness of human life and marriage? I don't know. I would say probably not...since it seems to be common practice to actually expell a girl..not the boy mind you...thank God this school at least gave her her diploma. I wonder, if she had not been as big would they have let her walk the stage? I think yes, since it is obvious this particular school is more worried about looks then the actual sin.

 

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